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All right, and thank you again everyone for joining us for our monthly seed story. My name is Rene Ferie and I am joined by my colleague Marissa Joe and and our guest tonight Chance Morales.
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Got it.
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Appreciate it. Have you joined?
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Chances from the Tiger Mountain Foundation and we are really appreciative of you joining us for the
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I'm really happy to be here. You know, I haven't heard too much about this until I was asked to come on it and it seems like a really awesome things that you guys do and I kind of want to go back and start listening to all the other C stories before this.
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So I'm really excited to be here.
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Please do it's on our YouTube channel, on our website. Yeah, dig in. There's a lot of really great information there.
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Wow.
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But yeah, so why don't we start with a little bit about You chance and the Tire Mountain Foundation.
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Just a brief little introduction. Tiger Mountain Foundation is a Phoenix based organization that understands how they can leverage gardening knowledge to positively impact the community.
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The Tiger Mountain Foundation has a simple mission to empower communities to better themselves from within. And they do it with fruits and veggies.
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This organization truly harnesses the power of the people because volunteers are instrumental in their success. With growing, maintaining, and harvesting the gardens.
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People of all ages, ethnic backgrounds and histories are welcome and have a reciprocal spoke in the wheel of the organization.
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They primarily work with communities with diverse challenges such as high rates of incarceration. They primarily work with communities with diverse challenges such as high rates of incarceration.
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They primarily work with communities with diverse challenges such as high rates of incarceration, poor health options, and a lower ranking education system.
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So, you know, that's my understanding of it, but chance is there anything that you wanna add something that I've missed?
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No, I mean, I would agree a hundred percent with all of that. I believe that I'm personally one of those examples, you know.
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I know not everyone has seen my bio but kind of what I wrote about is, you know, my background originally was in commercial marijuana growing and I was a pretty volatile member of that community.
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I helped out a lot of people. I really cared about healing people with that medicine and being able to distribute quality medicine amongst the state and Because an unfortunate event that happened to me, you know, I kind of fell into a deep depression for many, many years and even at 1 point was homeless and I didn't ever think that I was going
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to work with plants ever again. I didn't know where I would even fit in to even gain employment for such a long time and I was so thankful for one of my friends to refer me to Tiger Mountain because, once I, you know, step foot on their garden.
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My first day, it was like, like life breathed into me again. I felt like a purpose again.
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I felt like, wow, like all these things that I had dedicated my life to for a decade or more I can actually apply here and teach people and help people and produce a lot of fruit and food and vegetables for everybody and herbs that heal people and being able to distribute that to people that might not be able to get
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it. I love everything about that and everything that it stands for. You know, the gardens to me is like One of my favorite parts about Tiger Mountain.
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I know they do a lot of extra work with community outreach and all the other areas like that but for me where I shine I feel is trying to make the gardens as balanceful as possible and a calm and welcoming place for everybody who might need healing or who might not and just want to learn something new, you
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know.
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Wow, awesome. Thank you for sharing that chance. It's great to hear a little bit about you and, how you got your Tiger Mountain foundation.
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Can you share a little bit of the history of Tiger Mound Foundation? Like specifically what I was the origin story.
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Sure, so. Garden of tomorrow, which is on eighteenth street in Broadway, that was, where I actually had my first day.
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It actually used to be called the People's Garden way back when. And that was the first garden of Garden of Tomorrow.
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We even have, one of our employees. Still working with us today about 1516 years later that was a part of that garden and in originally teamed up with kindergartens apartment complex.
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If I remember correctly because they wanted to involve some of the people on fixed incomes or some of the elderly to get involved with.
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With growing and having healthy foods. Another reason why it's right there is because, in South Phoenix right there, it's considered like one of the largest food deserts in the Phoenix.
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So there's not a lot of grocery stores. There's a lot of people on fixed incomes.
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There's not a lot of people that have access to healthy food or even really know what it is.
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You know, we've had someone come to our gardens from the neighborhood and they thought, a cucumber was a mango, you know, and that's a very extreme case, but There's a lot of people that can't really identify healthy foods or even really know what they are.
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And, because of them starting a garden in that area, which used to just be an empty lot where people would chuck their their empty beer bottles in or.
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Hang out or do whatever they actually made it a place to brighten up the community and welcome the community members there.
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A handful of years later, I'm not exactly sure how many years later, but they, were able to work with Roosevelt school district.
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They're owners of about a 19 or 21 acre plot. That we were fortunate enough to become the least hold on.
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And that's where spaces of opportunity is. Spaces of opportunity is an awesome place. We, Tiger Mound Foundation is the leaseholder of that farm, but they actually sublet a quarter acre, a half acre and even acre plots to other entrepreneurs, half acre and even acre plots to other entrepreneurs and
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nonprofits. And we all kind of work together as a conglomerate. Help each other out.
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I know Desert Botanical Gardens is involved in it as well. And, even though that, garden up tomorrow on eighteenth street and Broadway used to be called the People's Garden.
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They actually switched it to another one of our garden locations which, was almost kind of like the forgotten stepchild of the group for a long time, but, now that there's been like some dollars and some attention to pour into it, the The old school, Benjamin Brooks on
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30 s street in Wear, it's not an elementary school per se anymore. It's still has the shape and feel of an elementary school, but a lot of nonprofits.
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At least out the classrooms and operate out of there and Tiger Mountain Foundation does have an office there and a garden there.
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And, most recently last April was the grand opening of our fourth garden, which is Super cool.
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It's in Temp off of Priest and Broadway and that's called Mac 6.
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It's in the max 6 office complex and it's a awesome example of what Agra landscaping can do.
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So many farmlands and aggregate pieces of agriculture that people farm on whether it's for their family or on a commercial level are being bought for commercial development, whether it's retail space or housing.
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And we're losing more and more land. For farming and producing food even though we're generating more ways to have hungry mouse, you know, there's not a lot of ways to feed them.
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And so. Gardening and even farming in this commercial office park where there used to just be rocks and decorative plants now we're harvesting you know like 8 different strains of tomatoes 5 different strains of watermelon 4 different strands of egg plant tons of different peppers and herbs and all
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sorts of thing is produced out of that parking lot, you know, even at a period of time you could drive down priest close to the light on Broadway and you'll see corn growing out of the parking lot and it kind of like turned some heads which is really cool.
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That's, a really awesome project and you know through those examples of other people hearing and seeing our farms were able to get really awesome contracts.
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One of them is through the Nina Mesa Pium Audubon Center, which is off of Third Street and Rio Salato and it's like a national burn and reptile preserve people from all over the world come there for bird watching there's actually like beavers right there in South Phoenix and raccoons and
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stuff and we were contracted to kind of help keep the grounds there and it's a very tedious love of labor kind of job because of all the natural environments there were not able to use any power tools at all.
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Everything is done by hand. And, another, contract that we're associated with is Escalante Park and Tempe and Paula who is the manager for that park.
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She's associated with meals on wheels and also gets a lot of volunteers to come down and to help be the groundskeepers for them and be a part of that.
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It's really exciting. We also were able to start a backyard garden project, which has been huge for us.
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Over the last year or so and essentially there's about a hundred 80 or so raffle tickets that's awarded, throughout the Greater Phoenix area to people that are low income housing or live in food deserts. And, a large portion of those raffle tickets were responsible for going into those.
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And, a large portion of those ra and building a garden bed for free with irrigation, seeds and lessons for almost a full year to make sure that they can grow food successfully in their backyards.
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Oh my goodness, there's so much!
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And, yeah, and so on. All the food that we produce at all 4 of our gardens.
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They're actually up available for donation at our farmers markets. So, depending on what time a year it is, we'll either be in one to 3 different farmers markets.
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And all of the food is for donation only. So, you know, if you don't have a lot to give, you can give whatever and get as much good as you want to nourish yourself and your family.
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Oh That's so great to hear. I mean. Access is one of like the hugest issues to people with lower income, you know, it's really difficult, especially with the current inflation right now to feed your families, organic, healthy, local, grown produce.
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I mean, The gap of access is huge.
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Right, and that's one of the things that I love about it too because you know if if we're able to give access to people that might not be able to afford a lot of these healthy fruits and vegetables and we're going to take the time and effort and spend the dollars to grow it.
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We might as well be growing all lot of the heirloom highly sought after fruits and vegetables that are sold for a top dollar amount in the grocery stores.
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You know, give the people a real treat, you know, instead of just a regular run of the mill tomato, we have multicolored tomatoes, cherry tomatoes, different different flavors and sizes, you know, same with the watermelons, you know, instead of just one of the
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regular watermelons that you see in the store. We have some with yellow meat. Stripes, one of them is called moon and stars, which is really cool.
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It's like a dark green flesh watermelon that actually has like yellow spots all over it.
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You know, and that type of produce is rare and it's delicious and people that are less fortunate are able to enjoy it when they might have never even heard of it before.
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And that's one of the things that kind of gives me good on.
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Absolutely, that's super powerful work. I know that I personally really love the yellow flesh watermelon and I cannot find it anywhere except for with the people I know that.
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Grow that out of you know their labor of love. Volunteers who help to cultivate the produce.
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Do they take home some of the produce as well?
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Absolutely, you know, and you know our There's no All of our volunteers come in any shape in size, you know, we have people that are, you know, volunteers that May have just barely started to walk.
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To, you know, well into their eighties, you know, and everything in between. For a long time, not for a long time, but for a good duration of their last school year, we actually had at the success academy come and volunteer with us and it's basically a after high school special
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needs schooling program for kids that want to get in the workforce or learn life skills. And a lot of these kids, you know, they suffer with autism, Down syndrome, all sorts of things.
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And they were not really wanting to engage, you know, on some of these, these guys this first day, they wouldn't even look at you in the face.
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They kind of wander away and be very shut off and by the end of their first day they were So immersed wanting to help out, getting their hands dirty and we didn't know if it was gonna work or not the first state is because it's kind of like a touchy thing working with people with such sensitive emotions and everything like
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that but they absolutely loved it and they came 2 times a week for a number of months and You know, gave us this huge blow up picture and a thank you card and they they can't wait to come again when the school year starts again, the ones that are gonna continue their education there.
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But it, it just goes to show you like, you know, no matter what. Your handicap or what you're handy capable of doing or how old you are.
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There's always a place for you in the garden and a way for you to learn and to not only benefit yourself, but your community as well.
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Yeah
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That's incredible. That must have been just such a joyful day to see the impact that you had and using just a different mode of education, you know, being in the garden, getting dirty, you know, oh, being able to mess things up and not have any issues.
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Hey, it was kind of funny, you know, because the first day we had an idea that they were coming, but we weren't a hundred percent repaired and have like a lot of stuff that we.
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Thought that that group could do. And one of the things that we do, especially when it's not as hot out, we start a lot of our seeds and cups instead of in the ground so that way we kind of set them out and spread them properly and that was one of the tasks that we needed to do that
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day. And me and one of my brothers, not my biological brother, but my brother brother that I worked with Rodney, we kind of looked into like, what are we gonna do?
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Like it's we don't really have a place room. We just rolled out this tarp.
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We sat down in the middle of the classroom, we run it out at Brooks. We just kind of pulled a bunch of pots together and we sat everyone down in Indian style and just kind of showed them what to do and everyone just jumped in with a different task and was so excited and every time they like got a plant separated they
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like held it up so proud like they just caught like a huge fish or something like I got one you know and it was it was really cool.
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It's really awesome and you can tell that like not only you as someone who works with Tire Mountain Foundation like you're invigorated but obviously you're making such a huge effect on the communities that you're serving.
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Absolutely.
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I read that in 2018 you guys had over 1,100 participants involved in community gardening work throughout the year.
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Plus their families and I just thought that was a really astounding number and you know a follow-up question is you know that you have these people that do participate and then do you know that they bring these gardening skills back home?
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I absolutely know that they do and you know you say a 1,100 volunteer members throughout the year like it's a huge number but I'm with Tiger Mountain for about a year and a quarter so far and some of our volunteer days just on our four-year days just on our 4 stages alone we're getting 80 to a hundred and
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40 Just on one Saturday, you know, so I'm very confident that we're in the top of those numbers and I know for a fact that they continue those the education and sharing it with their family because I connect to so many of our volunteers.
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And they call me on my personal number say, Hey, you know, I wanted my uncle really loves gardening and he wasn't able to make it out and I can't remember everything that you told me.
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Would you mind going and meeting up with him and or sharing something with him or bringing us some plants and I love to, you know, it's all about the community.
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It's all about sharing, you know, I might have something that they want. It might have something that we want in our gardens and we can trade.
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You know, if I can teach somebody something that might have not been able to make it, that's part of it and they usually.
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Reach out to me because they've heard about our volunteer sessions through someone that's been there and then end up coming the next for Saturday or the second Saturday and it's the word of mouth from our volunteer sessions is super powerful and I know definitely that a lot of people continue that knowledge that they've learned once they get home.
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You know, one of the things that I love about our garden sausages isn't that.
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It's like, okay, people just show up like, okay, let's get to work guys.
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We're gonna do this that and the other we do something called circle time. And, it sounds kind of funny because when you think about a lot of grown adults doing circle time, you know, it's like, what are these guys doing?
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But it's actually like. Really beneficial, you know, we talk about different things like how to budget your money you know how to invest your time wisely how to eat healthy foods and it's not always just about gardening.
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We try to teach people life skills and lessons that they can carry with them throughout the day and teach someone else.
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And so the first 30 min will be sometimes light stretching or yoga and in a conversation about and educational topic and then we, say, you know, if you can, you know, please think about this topic while you're gardening today and the last 30 min is like our wrap up and we go around that circle and
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we ask people like, okay, what did you learn? Do you feel like you could teach someone else this, you know, how do you feel about teaching someone else this and everyone's like so stoked at the end of the day when they like learn something new that they can share with someone else that they didn't even think that they're going to get to experience
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when they walk through those gates.
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That's awesome.
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Okay.
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Bravo, amazing.
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Sounds like you guys are just doing like A huge diverse of activities and different things like that. I am absolute believer that working in the garden It does bring so much more than just a physical labor more than just a connection to the earth like Just that time that you can take to like.
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Think about like your life and your connection to the earth and you know things like that. It's just a really beautiful experience and it's nice to see that you're sharing that with people and helping them make that connection because we don't always have an opportunity to work the land and and see all of that in practice.
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Right, you know and even as you know the garden leaders are the so called leaders of Tiger Mountain Foundation, you know, we.
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Garen's our own is the owner of the company and he's like our ill copied ton, you know, but one of the things that he stretched it stresses which is like beautiful thing to me is that There's no one's like boss there, you know, we're all very different.
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We all come from very different backgrounds. Some of us may or may not have had problems with authority or like being told what to do, but it's up to us to put.
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Whatever differences we may or may not have aside and come together to create. Something beautiful that everyone else can benefit from.
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So not only are we trying to have diversification with our volunteers, but we try to have diversification within our organization and to live what we teach.
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Yeah.
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You know, we're all very different. We all have different strengths and weaknesses and it's up to us to not dismiss 1 one or the other and to actually utilize people for their strengths and weaknesses and I like that so we can come together and create something beautiful.
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Yeah, together.
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Yes, no. Oh, go ahead, Marissa.
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I think he might be mated. I'm sorry. Yeah.
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It's okay.
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I'm sorry, I do that all the time in our meetings. Thank you for sharing that with this chance.
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I just wanted to ask, Tagamar, Foundation, works with formerly incarcerated individuals as well.
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Yes.
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This is such a powerful service to often intentionally forgotten individuals. Especially when considering that many barriers they experience when re entering society, you know, and that transition back.
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Out of incarceration is really difficult. Can you share a little bit more about this work that Tiger Mountain Foundation does?
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Yeah, you know, you know, I personally have been arrested a handful of times, but nothing for like a long stint but from talking to people that have had multi year stints in jail or prison.
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You know it's it's very hard to come back into society especially because What I've come to learn is when you're in there for so long you there's a certain lifestyle that some people get accustomed to.
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You know, that's why so many people just go back to prison because They get comfortable in there as scary as that sounds, you know, they get, they get comfortable with not really having to be accountable or having, you know, a lot of responsibilities during your day and getting used to that political system within inside our jail systems.
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you know, and you know when you have stepped out of prison for X amount of years you know you are already maybe thinking that people are gonna look at you funny or think something of you that they're gonna judge you on your worst day instead of who you really are you know so when people try to go and get jobs instead of actually.
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Evaluating what kind of person they actually are, they just judge them on their worst mistakes. And, with Tiger Mountain, you know, we, put all that aside, you know, but I feel like that might be one of the reasons why we have a lot of our employees do a 3 day volunteer period before
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they're a hundred percent onboarded because you know some people might not be ready to work with us, but we always have an open door for those who are.
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And if people can put some of that institutionalization thinking aside and open their mind up and say, wow, like this is a group that will accept me for who I am and not really give.
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Give a damn about what I've done in my past or who I was and really cares about who I am now and what I'm gonna do with my future.
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I can actually use this as a fresh start. And do something with my life. You know, and it won't happen overnight.
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You know, it's a lot of hard work. It's a lot of you know, different types of mental thinking that you have to relearn, you know, and those who Do that.
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You know, I'm, super proud of them because it takes a lot of effort and hard work to make that decision to want to change to do something better when you're a lot with your life because it's easy to do something better when you're with your life, to do something better when you're a with your life.
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Cause it's easy to just go and break the login and go back into that system if that's what you're used to.
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And if that's what you've been brainwashed to think that that's only what your life is about.
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You know, your life is about so much more than that. People have so much more potential that they don't even understand that they know they have.
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Absolutely. Thank you for sharing that with me. A lot of what you're saying this absolutely resonates with me because, My partner he's done About 3 years of federal prison time for his involvement in this standing rock pipeline protests.
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And I think like, you know, that transition back into society. It really is the hardest, you know, when you spend a lot of time.
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Continually being like pushed down not only by the the justice system and other, you know, people, but also by yourself, you know, you spend a lot of time in a box and you forget about how special of an individual you are and so working the land you know really helps connect back to that.
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And so I really am excited to hear more about that. Can you talk a little bit about the social and economic mobility that people learn through working with, Tiger Mountain Foundation.
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Well, kind of what I touched on with some of our, you know, circle time lesson plans is we teach people how to budget.
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We teach people how to save. We teach people, you know, think, think we teach people how to have a certain line of thinking you know of what am I going to invest my time and my money in because it's not just investing money, it's investing your time and you know what is what's worth it to you?
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You know, is it worth it to me to go and hang out these guys down the street or is it worth it to me to hang out with the group that is going to teach me life skills where I can be independent one day and then pay that forward because they've given me tools to be successful and independent.
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You know, I know Darren has mentioned a lot about a first home buyers program, you know, where they'll match an X amount of dollars you know where they'll match an X amount of dollars you know when it's people's time to buy their first home.
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So there's There's a lot of resources, that's available to people that do have questions about their finances or wanting to get more monetarily stable.
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We've got a whole department dedicated to it.
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That is.
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That's awesome. Thank you so much for sharing. Go ahead.
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That is that's so incredible to even be able to help people, you know, gain their first, you know, true home.
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I mean, that's That's not common. That's amazing. You know what?
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No, there's actually a 17 year old that volunteers with us right now. Who has a child and, he's still in high school, but he's willing to be 18 and we've already got him starting to look at that paperwork and to be 18 and we've already got him starting to look at that paperwork and
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to be 18 and we've already got him starting to look at that paperwork and to implement that program work and to implement that program.
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So, you know, he's not just starting to look at that paperwork and to implement that program.
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So, you know, he's not just starting a family young and in the dark but actually has some sense of direction and where to go and to hopefully have a leg up when a lot of people in this situation might not have that.
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Oh, certainly, certainly. I mean, all these things that we're talking about is just providing opportunity.
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Right.
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That otherwise may not have ever been received and you know a different type of community. You know, there could be the community on the streets or the community in the garden and you know being able to recognize that I can go here or there and you know what's gonna nourish the soul more and you know another component which I think might
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be a little more like lucrative for Tire Mountain Foundation is teaching these volunteers agri landscaping that helps build that type of skill and then can really, you know, lead to a different types of employment.
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Right.
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So you could you speak on that a little bit more?
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Yeah, so basically AGR landscaping is the idea of taking a space that people typically wouldn't farm on and farming in it, you know, such as parking lots or office complexes, you know, and I personally feel very strong.
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On this subject, you know, I'm, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say the L word, but I honestly feel that.
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It should be a law to aggregate landscape because of how many farmlands are being bought off and how many retail space and can we use are being built where there used to be land for people to grow food in.
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That's one of the main reasons why the cost of healthy fresh organic food is going up. You know and even if you are farming it at a large scale it's hard to do all that in an organic way, you know, and if you were able to employ people to, you know, if you're driving through the
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communities, like let's say surprise for example, which I call like a cookie cutter community, you know, like all those houses are almost the same and it looks nice and it's new developed but All alongside of the road, they have all these parks and then just berms of just rocks and cactus and all
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these things and you could turn all that into farmable landscaping for those communities. You could give people jobs to do that.
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You know, all of these huge Walmart parking lots or parking lots and malls that have all these islands and all these rocks that are creating a lot of heat and you know not leaving an area where beneficial bugs and pollinator insects can flourish because that's a huge part of our ecosystem.
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You know, it plays a huge role in the health of our planet. And so not only would Agri Lansing, hopefully, you know, make the price of healthy food go down a bit, but make it a lot more accessible to people.
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And educate people and give a lot of people jobs.
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And you know the success of being able to grow a bunch of food in a desert. That was formerly like a concrete jungle, you know, type of area.
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I mean, how impressive is that?
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Right, you know, and we teach about this a lot, but it's all about creating what's called microclimates, you know, it when you start creating these agri landscaping plots, you know, you're cooling the temperature off.
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You're making Cooler areas for people to get refuge at during the day, you know, instead of just All those rocks just get the sun beat down on them all day and then they release that heat at night.
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It's like people that are out there on the streets can't really get refuge at all, you know, and I understand that it takes a lot of water to grow a lot of food like that and that's one of the reasons why they.
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Have a lot of rocks and desert plants there, but We have so many golf courses that use tons of water.
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You know, there's there's way to collect water too, you know, like there's people at spaces of opportunity.
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That have created a solar panel system and it basically takes moisture out of the atmosphere and can produce like 500 bottles of clean water a day.
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Just by using solar panels and taking a moisture out of the atmosphere. You know, a lot of these people that have greenhouses, you know, so save for example.
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People that set up an AGR landscaping job. They just didn't do it outside, but they actually set up.
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Some sort of greenhouse along the perimeter of their parking lot. Well, plants perspirate, you know, they need a certain amount of humidity and you know, some of the machinery that people use in greenhouses and indoor cultivation are dehumidifiers and air conditioners and they pull gallons
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of water out of the atmosphere out of the at while the plants persevere and after you water all that water is reusable you know at some point you will be able to recycle a lot of the water that you're using and just plug it back into their system.
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You know, a lot of these like water and ice stores, they use reverse osmosis.
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Water and in order to get reverse reverse as well as water you have to waste about 50% or more of the water that you're getting.
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To make it reverse osmosis water. And so some of the ways that we've combatted that in the horticulture industry is we take the waste water lines and we treat it with like UV lights and we pump it back into the system and recycle it and we try to catch all the water we can.
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If they implemented systems like that for AGR landscaping purposes. We would be able to reuse a lot of the water, you know, or there's tons of areas in the valley that have ponds.
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You know, there's tons of parks that have ponds and ducks and stuff like that and all of that water is super fertile and there's no reason why we couldn't set up gardens or greenhouses at parks and create some sort of flood and drain system where we tap into that pond or lake.
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And irrigate that water to our plants and then catch the waste and pump it back in. And that way we're not only Using the water that's available, but we're adding beneficial microorganisms to our plants and having on top organic gardening available to us.
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Without having to buy any fertilizers.
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That's awesome.
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The systems there, we just need to be smarter about it.
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Yes, absolutely.
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Absolutely. Yeah. It looks like Tiger Mound Foundation just has a lot of different programs and a lot of different great initiatives that you guys are working on.
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As you know, seeds in common is a seed loving organization. So I'm curious, does Tiger Mountain Foundation have a seed saving initiative built into the gardening education?
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We absolutely do. We not only teach seeds saving, but we practice, seed saving as well.
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We also network with people. I met a lady named Delphine. Through a water conservation course that Tiger Mountain provided.
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And she's one of the leaders of what's called the Seed Exchange. And so anybody, Tiger Mountain, us, they can look up those locations and trade with people and get seats for free.
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So if they have an abundant of something. They can trade for something that they want. And so.
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We at Tiger Mountain, there's some seas that we have a lot more of than others and we can go to sources like that and trade to build up our diversification of seats.
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You know, I personally always walk around with a duffel bag full of seeds. You know, I personally always walk around with a duffel bag full of seeds. Like I'm always prepared.
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I'm kind of but not only the seed saving allow you to cut cost for future, crops.
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But it's actually conditioning your crops for the future to be more tolerant to our weather.
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You know, some of the produce that we grow, they might be able to somewhat handle the heat at certain parts of the summer.
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But even like right now when it's getting almost up to 120 degrees, those drought tolerant and you keep tolerant plants are struggling a lot but when you see save generation after generation they've bred heat resistance and heat tolerance and higher drought tolerance into the next generation.
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And so. That's another huge reason why we see save and see it categorized. So that way, you know, when we are buying seeds that might have been harvested from somewhere else in the country that has a lot more forgiving climate.
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Those seeds might not. Work the same way here as I do there. What we do is we start from those seed stocks when we want to have a diverse crop.
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And then we save some of the produce from those cycles and then save the seeds from those cycles.
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And then, you know, by the third, fourth or fifth generation. We have something that we've been wanting to grow a lot easier, a lot more abundantly and a lot more tolerant to the heat and desert life that we live here.
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Awesome. That's very cool. So you talked a little bit earlier about, not just growing kind of like your more typical varieties that you see in, you know, just the general, grocery store.
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We talked about using heirloom seeds and things like that. So, what is the perspective of Tiger Mountain Foundation on using GMO seeds for crops within all these different initiatives?
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That you guys do.
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You know, people throw out the word GMO very loosely. Genetically modified isn't necessarily a bad thing.
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It's when you have gone to extremes. Of making that GMO crop that is going to impact.
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Like the insects or the environment around you in a negative way. A lot of people don't realize this, but The corn that we every day was the first.
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Corn used to not even exist and it and it got born into existence because when the Native Americans ruled the land and the more specifically the grassland Indians, they had found a strain.
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I don't know how they did it. That's how amazing these people were, but there was about.
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450 to 500 different strains of grass. And they found the one single strain of grass that could have been breed with, these like baby corns that you've seen around Thanksgiving time.
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They're only a couple inches long. They had traded that with natives in the lower parts of the United States and even down in Mexico and corn is a strain of grass bred with that vegetable.
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And so that's your actual first genetically modified prop to come into existence. And there's a there's also a difference between Selection and breeding and genetic modification so you know heirloom That's the term thrown around and it's it basically signifies that you are using seeds from a
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crop. That has close to the original genetics as possible. And so when people farm, they want consistency and that's why they start breeding for certain traits, which may be bad, it may not be bad, but if you try to have a commercial crop and you only use heirloom seeds.
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Those tomatoes, for example, are going to all look very different from one another. And so, what some people think is GMO is actually selective breeding because you can start from an heirloom steed crop.
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And you can look at the genetics. Of the offspring of those seeds, if you will.
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And you can select the ones that you want or that cater to you because you like the taste of it.
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You like how they do with pest. You like how it adapts to your climate. And then you can pollinate those specific plants.
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And eventually you will get what's considered an inbred line. A lot of people don't realize this, but like the Brassica family of like broccoli lettuce, things like that.
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It all used to be broccoli. And what people did over time was when they had that original broccoli seed stock, they started noticing different types of lettuce and colors and things like that.
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And so they took that original seed stock with a lot of different varying genetics and then bread for specific kinds of genetics and that's why we have like red Romayne or regular Romayne or Kale or Swiss chard or calibration broccoli or whatever it all started.
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From one thing and then. Through farming and learning what people liked or what caught their eye. They started breeding for certain things, you know.
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Watermelon is a huge, topic as far as that as far as that, conversation goes because we primarily eat red meat watermelon, but watermelon, all watermelon originally was yellow meat.
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And now you can hardly find yellow meat watermelon and it's just because people had bred for that specific kind.
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But the things that like Monsanto is doing, you know, they, breathe something with plants that's not necessarily within the plant genome.
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And when bugs go to eat that they die, you know, and farmers, we always have pests to deal with, but Those pests, whether we like them or not, they all play a vital role in our ecosystem.
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And when you're talking about GMO on that level, it's detrimental to our climate in our in our environment.
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You know, and I, that's something that I highly suggest staying away from.
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Absolutely. Thank you for sharing your perspective with us and, thank you also for talking about, you know, the Fast differences between seed selection and you know commercial modification because like you said, there are huge dangers and huge detriments to, the natural process of plant go through, you know, from
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pollination. You know and all of that and And yeah, you know, we've been doing seed selection since time of memorial, you know, as humans on this earth and that's why we have all of the wonderful crops that we have in the varieties that grow.
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Specific to all of our environments you know that we're able to grow in a more sustainable way.
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And I think, you know, as an organization, we absolutely agree that those modifications that are done at like the commercial level for test control and different things like that, you know, there they definitely.
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Right.
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Have negative impacts on on seed selection, seed saving and and you know there's even Issues that we experience with being able to save certain seeds that have been have certain elements that are patented to it and you know people become unlawful, you know, when they start to save some of those seeds.
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So there's definitely an issue. Out there and things like that. And we can talk about, you know, this conversation forever.
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But
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Yeah, you know, I personally can't blame him for trying, you know, especially because when you're a commercial farmer.
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You're gonna automatically assume that like 60% of your crop is gonna go down the drain due to bugs or 4 watering.
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And so when someone comes to you, which seems like a miracle. Cure all and it's like, oh, I got these seeds.
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You won't have to expect to lose half your crop, you know, I see the attractiveness about it.
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I see why people are willing to try it but the way that they are trying to tip the scales in the farmers favor is not They're not doing it the right way.
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You know, it's called cheating for a reason. You know, people are gonna benefit from it in the long run.
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Right. Right. Right. And it's nice that you have so much volunteers and people who believe in the work of Tiger Mountain Foundation because then you know you're able to pull all of those different things that some of those things try to like solve like pest control and like, you know, meeting issues and things like
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that. You can turn it into something that teaches people about How to live, you know, closer to the land, more in harmony, more sustainably and you know just learn about how to make better choices for our lives and things like that.
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Yeah, I think my lucky stars every day that I live in this state and I'm able to do this because there's certain states in our country that are making it illegal to even have a home garden.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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You know, and they, you know, they claim that it's because, well, if you get produce from someone growing in on their private property.
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You don't know if it's organic or it's gonna be safe or not and it's in my opinion it's like well that's why we're doing it dude because You guys are doing so many messed up things to the produce that we're eating.
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Right.
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We have to grow it on our own and you're making it so expensive and now you're gonna try to make it illegal for us to even eat healthy food. You know, it's just not right. It's not right what's going on.
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And I'm very lucky that I live in a state where we can. Not have to deal with that, you know, and we have the freedom to grow clean healthy food when we might not be able to get it whenever we want.
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Absolutely, definitely. Well, you know, she's in common Renee and I specifically, you know, we love the work that Tiger Mountain Foundation is doing.
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Do you guys have any events coming up that, we can share with our networks in our community?
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Yeah, absolutely. For a Saturday is coming up. It's this Saturday. 80'clock to 11.
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There's usually a cookout. We have a DJ. There's a lot of fun activities for people to dive into.
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And that's the fourth Saturday of every month, you know, and then the second Saturday every month is at our spaces of opportunity location, which is off of about I think it's fourteenth avenue and vineyard so if you take seventh down down to southern a little bit more south and take it right on vineyard you'll see spaces of
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opportunity and at the second Saturdays there's other vendors and other farmers there that you have. To see.
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And then we also have our own pop up farmers market. This weekend, for our 4 Saturday over garden of tomorrow as well as a chef and other vendors.
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So it's a lot of fun. You know, it's a lot of fun just to come down and experience it, whether you're a partner or not.
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Yes, I definitely wanna schedule some time to visit the pop up farmers market one time. I'd love to do a video and just share with our community these great things that you guys are doing.
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You know, in general, what can we share or how can our community support Tiger Mountain Foundation?
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What is the best way?
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Well, you can always donate your time, you know, we are shorthanded, from time to time just because of all of these.
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Different projects that we get involved in, you know, sometimes we can't give them as much attention as we wanted to.
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So, you know, volunteering your time is A huge thing that we're grateful for. And you know, dollars don't help either because that allows us to pay more people to work for us long term that allows us to get supplies or seeds or something like that so Donations help and donating your time helps most of all because when you donate your
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time you're actually learning something that can benefit yourself. And you can tell other people about your experience and maybe bring someone else.
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You know, I would prefer, you know, volunteering your time before dollars, but. If you don't have a lot of time to donate at the very least, you know, please, you know, donate to our company because everything goes back into the community and to lift other people up and to give them a finding chance at
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life, you know, whether it's with gardening or not. You know, there's so much more to this company than just gardening.
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Yes, and you know see the common definitely wants to help out. I would love to offer my time.
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Is there like a sign up process or is it kind of a walk-in type of deal?
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Yeah, I mean you can walk up but if you go to our website tiger mount foundation.org there are volunteer sign up sheets and depending on what day of the week you want to volunteer at will let you know what garden you're actually going to volunteer at.
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So Mondays, from 9 to 12, you will be at the Burks Community School People's Garden off at 30 s street in Wear.
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Tuesdays and Thursdays are max 6 which is off a priest in Broadway that's a guard in our office complex.
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Wednesdays, the spaces of opportunities and Fridays is garden up tomorrow. On 18 straight Broadway and so second Saturday will also be spaces or sorry will also be GOT and if you come on a Tuesday or Wednesday you might actually be able to go to one of our all their side projects that we do and experience
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Nina Mesa Pulim Audubon Center or the Escalante Park.
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You know, we're kind of like transformers in that way where we kind of break apart, go and handle something and come back together again.
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So.
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That's cool. That's really cool. And it really directs people to the areas in which you really need the assistance and yeah, I will definitely check that out.
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You know we're at we're near the end of our time together and we always like to end with what is your current favorite seat to save?
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And please tell us why.
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Okay, so. I have a couple of them. Okay, so one of them is watermelons just because I want to learn more about breeding them and also that's another reason why I like saving tomatoes, you know, when when I first started coming coming in Tiger Mountain I had this dream.
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I still do have this dream where you know, we get crops that we get very comfortable growing and we've, you know, experimented with different strains of those crops like tomatoes or watermelons or even beats for example.
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But as we've gained the experience of growing them, see as an after season, we can actually start to read.
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Our own varieties with unique colors and taste profiles and have our own Tiger Mountain Foundation versions of those produce.
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And so. You know, tomatoes, melons. And a couple root vegetables like carrots and beads that have a lot of cool vibrant colors.
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Those are my personal favorites right now that I have been studying and want to read specifically for a tiger mountain that will have unique colors and tastes for us.
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And a lot of herbs because herbs, you not only do you cook with them, but they can heal you.
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There's a lot of different herbs. That people don't even know about that can heal your mind and your body and even wounds.
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So, possibilities are endless. I miss a plant junkie to say the least. Like, give, give them all to me.
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I wanna grow them all. They're all my favorite. I can't pick this one.
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I know it's so funny you come across a new seat and you're like now this is my favorite and then you know changes with the next seed and that's just how it goes.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Cool, thank you so.
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It's seasonal. Well, I just wanted to, oh yeah, go for it.
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I just wanted to say thank you. It was nice to meet you Chance and you know, if I was in the area, I would totally volunteer my time.
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Seats in common. We, have a lot of people in different areas. So I'm located in New Mexico, but when I do take it a trip out there, I will definitely come with Rene to check out, you know, all the different cool initiatives that you guys got happening on the ground.
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But thank you for sharing this time with us today and it was really great to meet you and talk about the work of Tiger Mountain Foundation.
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I loved it. Thank you so much for having me and who knows maybe I'll go to New Mexico and track you down and we can come up with something cool to do together.
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We appreciate this time. We appreciate your organization. This like I just learned so much more about just how effective and important you guys are in this community and thank you so much.
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We have a lot to learn from you and so definitely we'll be following up and donating my time to your organization.
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So thanks again, chance.
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I love it. Thanks for having me. I really, really enjoyed it.
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Alright, well thanks everyone. We'll see you at the next seed story, Thursday of the month, 6 pm out in standard time.
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On the next one. Bye guys.
